HPE m710x & Citrix – Next generation engineer workstation

Written by Thomas Poppelgaard. Posted in Citrix, Desktop Virtualization, Edgeline, End User Computing, GRID, HDX 3D Pro, HPE, Intel, M510, M710X, Microsoft, Moonshot, NVIDIA, Provisioning Services, Receiver, SCCM, Server 2012R2, vGPU, VMware, vSphere, Windows 10, Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2008R2, Windows Server 2012R2, Windows Server 2016, XenDesktop, XenServer

 

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HPE m710x & Citrix – Next gen engineer workstation

What is the m710x?

 

Which HPE appliance can you add the m710x in

Now HPE has a new server catridges available and a new appliance that targets a new business opportunity for SMB/medium customers. Previously you needed to buy a Moonshot 1500 solution that was a 4.3 U chassis, where you could add up to 45 server cartridges. This have changed and new offerings are now available from HPE. These include Edgeline. HPE Edgeline EL1000 Converged IoT System support one HPE Proliant server cartridge and HPE Edgeline EL4000 Converged IoT System, which support up to four HPE Proliant server cartridges. This is great for business that would like CPU/GPU/Fast storage and IO in small capacity but require fast performance. These appliances are also built for IoT systems. This means that HPE Edgeline is a more accessible solution for companies no matter their size or demand.

Testing Methology

I have been testing the m710x with Citrix XenDesktop 7.9 HDX 3D Pro and Windows 10 anniversary edition. I tested several applications from Autodesk, PTC, Siemens and Rheino.

The goal was to show the user experience how it is compared to NVIDIA GRID, which is industry standard of GPU enabled desktop/apps. This is not a benchmark measuring time to load, its simply testing the user responsiveness of one connection which is m710x (2GB video memory) vs NVIDIA GRID K2 K260Q profile (2GB video memory).

Test Setup

To the left the HPE m710x and to the right HPE DL 380Gen9 with NVIDIA GRID K2

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Latest OS + GPU driver + VDA at that current time was installed on HPE m710x

Latest Hypervisor + OS + vGPU driver + VDA at that current time was installed on HPE DL 380Gen9

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The GPU driver what is seen inside GPU-Z.

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Use case and user profiling CAD applications

Latest CAD applications from Autodesk was used such as AutoCAD, Revit, 3DSMax, VRED, Showcase, Fusion360 and Siemens FeMap, Rheino and PTC Creo.

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Methodology

This is the methodology I use. I am not using any automated scripts or software to simulate mouse moment, I am using a manual process so the human eye can judge the user experience.

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Below video shows the user experience on the left the m710x and on the right the NVIDIA GRID k260Q profile.

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User experience with Autodesk AutoCAD 2017 on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with Autodesk Fusion 360 on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with Autodesk Fusion 360 on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with Autodesk Revit 2017 on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with Autodesk Revit 2017 on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with Autodesk Inventor 2017 on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with Autodesk Inventor 2017 on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with Autodesk Showcase 2016 on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with Autodesk Showcase 2016 on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with Siemens FeMap on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with Rheino on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

User experience with PTC Creo on m710x vs NVIDIA GRID K2 – K260Q

Summary of keyfindings with m710x for mainstream CAD requirements.

  • m710x works great and reduces the complexity of having virtualising with a hypervisor and having to virtualise a GPU, plus  it reduces the cost and you get bare metal performance. The advantage with intel is that the GPU instructions are send directly in the chip as CPU/GPU is 1 chip and GPU is not going through a PCIexpress board.
  • To install OS, Apps for persistent its recommended using Microsoft SCCM or RES Automation Manager, and if you would like to have a simplified image strategy Citrix Provisioning is the preferred option for HPE Moonshot, which also can do caching in memory and fallback to storage this could potentially speed up the IOPS even more than M.2.
  • Its recommend doing an assessment to see if you are below 2GB frame buffer to take advantage of the m710x, many companies that uses CAD is below this as of now, but if you required more GPU memory then NVIDIA/AMD is a better choice as they have Quadro/GRID that can give 3GB+ and above video memory+ lots of compute. The m710x can open 4Gb models but then it will put 1GB in CPU/GPU and 1GB in memory and 2GB in pagefile, where NVIDIA would put all in their GPU memory. This is why its recommended using assessment software such as UberAgent to understand how much GPU you are currently using.
  • User experience is king with HPE m710x, the cartridge with Windows 10 anniversary update and Citrix XenDesktop 7.9 HDX 3D Pro is ready for CAD vendors such as Siemens, PTC and Autodesk.
  • Applications performance is great, fast and no graphics elements are lost. Graphics are smooth, responsive and acceptable.
  • The performance of the CAD applications in these test are equal with Intel P580 vs GRID K2 K260Q.
  • Elements such as loading large files, zoom-in, rotating, working in layers and rendering works great with HPE m710x.
  • The new HPE m710x catridge is ready for mainstream CAD requirements.

I highly recommend you test your own models as above is samples I have found and customer data is always different, some samples are smaller others are larger.

How to get Involved – HPE Global Innovation Labs

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Partner and customer engagement, interaction, assessment and colloboration on solution development and applications.

HPE can help with

  • Build, testing and pre-validation of Edgeline systems and end-to-end solutions
  • Integrated real-life “Edge Experience Zones“ to interact with and highlight industry applications
  • On-site access or secure remote access
  • Datacenter connectivity and testing

Try here https://www.hpe.com/us/en/servers/global-innovation-lab.html

Poppelgaard.com – Professional Services

Above article is written myself as an independent blogger/consultant and the results of the testing of the CAD applications was accomplished by Thomas Poppelgaard and sponsored by HPE. The methodology are as is and samples can be required if the readers would like the material to reproduce the same results.

if you are interested in testing your applications on the ProLiant Server Catridges – please dont hesitate to contact me a thomas@poppelgaard.com
I can also help with above value added tasks plus much more 🙂

Source

recommended articles to read about the new Moonshot/Edgeline productline

HPE Proliant server cartridge m510 and m710x building blocks for Citrix

HPE Moonshot Reinvented

HPE Proliant server cartridge m510 and m710x building blocks for Citrix

Written by Thomas Poppelgaard. Posted in Autodesk, Citrix, Cloud, Desktop Virtualization, Edgeline, End User Computing, HDX 3D Pro, HPE, Intel, M510, M710X, Microsoft, Moonshot, Provisioning, SCCM, VMware, vSphere, Windows 10, Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2008R2, Windows Server 2012R2, Windows Server 2016, XenApp, XenDesktop, XenServer

HPE have released new server cartridges m510 and m710x for HPE Moonshot and Edgeline. These new server cartridges are the first units that have built-in HPE iLO, so customers can easy manage each server cartridge.

Moonshot cartridge building blocks for Citrix workloads

Below chart describes what HPE Moonshot/Edgeline current strategy is for GPU enabled apps and desktops with Citrix XenDesktop and XenApp.

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Below chart describes which GPU enabled HPE Proliant server cartridges that can be used.

Interesting results is that density increases dramatically from m710p to m710x.

If companies requires non GPU enabled compute the m510-16 is a interesting server cartridge for Citrix XenApp

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Let’s look at the details of the two new server catridges.

m510 cartridge – hardware specifications

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This server catridge is a beast, it have up to 16 core and 128GB memory and is also Windows Server 2016 ready 🙂

 M510 Citrix XenApp Office Worker with LoginVSI

Below shows some benchmark Citrix have accomplished with LoginVSI, interesting is that they get:

168 XenApp sessions per m510. <1/2 watt per session! 

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above chart is made by Tony Sanchez from Citrix

The average amount of users for Knowledge worker workloads Login VSI max was around 138 with 145 users being active at the time of the test. The baseline of 780 was consistent with  additional tests that were repeated. The High Scalability policy template was applied to the desktop group for all Login VSI users.

These test was made by Citrix internally, please read the blog here.

CPU performance of the m510 during the 145 user test. The max CPU utilization was around 93%

during the peak of the test without fully saturating the processor.

m710x catridge – hardware specifications

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This server catridge is a beast, it have latest skylake core and 64GB memory and is also Windows 10, Windows Server 2016 and even RHEL, Ubunto ready 🙂

Then its also ready to be virtualized with Citrix XenServer and VMware vSphere and KVM, I will later blog how its working with these hypervisors.

M710x Citrix XenApp Knowledge Worker with LoginVSI

Below shows some benchmark Citrix have accomplished with LoginVSI, interesting is that they get:

67 XenApp Knowledge sessions per m710x

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These test was made by Citrix internally, please read the blog here.

 

Hardware Summary of HPE ProLiant m510 and m710x

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I hope the above gives you a pretty good idea on where Moonshot & Edgeline is going – and this is just for Citrix XenDesktop and XenApp. I will cover how its used with Octoblu another time.

How to get Involved – HPE Global Innovation Labs

hpelabs

Partner and customer engagement, interaction, assessment and colloboration on solution development and applications.

HPE can help with

  • Build, testing and pre-validation of Edgeline systems and end-to-end solutions
  • Integrated real-life “Edge Experience Zones“ to interact with and highlight industry applications
  • On-site access or secure remote access
  • Datacenter connectivity and testing

Try here https://www.hpe.com/us/en/servers/global-innovation-lab.html

Poppelgaard.com – Professional Services

if you are interested in testing your applications on the ProLiant Server Catridges – please dont hesitate to contact me a thomas@poppelgaard.com
I can also help with above value added tasks plus much more 🙂

 

Source

Citrix Blogs – X Marks the Spot: XenApp, XenDesktop & XenServer with Intel Xeon & HPE Moonshot!

Citrix Blogs – We Choose to Go to the Moon!

 

HPE Moonshot Reinvented

Written by Thomas Poppelgaard. Posted in Autodesk, Citrix, Cloud, Collaboration and Support, Datacenter and Cloud, End User Computing, GVT-d, HDX 3D Pro, HPE, HPE Discover, Intel, Linux Virtual Desktop, LoginVSI, M510, M710X, Microsoft, Moonshot, OpenGL, RemoteFX, Windows 10, Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2008R2, Windows Server 2012R2, Windows Server 2016, XenDesktop, XenServer

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HPE Moonshot have been around for some time now, and I have been very lucky working together with HPE and testing their server cartridges that are compatible with Citrix solutions. Last year, at HPE Discover in London, I wrote an article about how Citrix internally are using HPE moonshot and which server cartridges were available at that time and how financial customers are benefiting from these solutions.

Now HPE has a new server catridges available and a new appliance that targets a new business opportunity for SMB/medium customers. Previously you needed to buy a Moonshot 1500 solution that was a 4.3 U chassis, where you could add up to 45 server cartridges. This have changed and new offerings are now available from HPE. These include Edgeline. HPE Edgeline EL1000 Converged IoT System support one HPE Proliant server cartridge and HPE Edgeline EL4000 Converged IoT System, which support up to four HPE Proliant server cartridges. This is great for business that would like CPU/GPU/Fast storage and IO in small capacity but require fast performance. These appliances are also built for IoT systems. This means that HPE Edgeline is a more accessible solution for companies no matter their size or demand.

How HPE is Reinventing Moonshot

Talking to Olivier Frank, Senior Director from HPE WW Business development & alliances, Moonshot & IOT system, he gave me his view on their strategy, and future plans.

The history of HPE Moonshot

Before we look at what HPE offers now, I thought it would be a great overview to hear about the story of HPE Moonshot. Olivier shares with me, HPE Moonshot is 3 years old and started as a concept to reduce energy footprint, a micro server dedicated to a single server and that would use the lowest energy and have the highest density. The first cartridge started with Intel Atom, which was very low power and competed with a “Facebook” open compute platform. That offering didn’t work out and the HPE moonshot evolved quickly toward GPU for the masses.

HPE started first with AMD to build a server cartridge that could have 4 physically servers with CPU/GPU on 1 cartridge, this was the M700. The goal was hosted desktop, targeting those customers that had not deployed VDI before and you could get a low cost notebook with physically GPU/CPU, fast flash storage, memory and 1Gbit network. VDI customers who had failed at other solutions could also adopt M700.

HPE started getting some traction, the issue was high price per user. HPE and Intel build the M710 server cartridge with Citrix XenApp certified. This was introduced 2 years ago, E3 CPU with Iris Pro Graphics 5200, 32GB memory, M.2 flash storage (september 2014). VDI on the M710 wasn’t something HPE investigated. m710p was the next generation cartridge, which brought more power and higher clock frequency CPU and GPU. HPE started to investigate trader workstation, which requested this thpe of hardware performance and the m710p was perfect for VDI (Banking and Investment). Banks could now replace physically machines to m710p cartridges because of low latency user experience, which was developed closely together with HPE, Intel and Citrix. HP also launched the T730 thin client that could take up to 6 monitors (4 on the box, and add a PCI card to take additional 2 monitors) which is a minimum requirement for traders. This solution was a huge success and some of the largest financial customers are now running on this solution.

HPE Moonshot – Seeing Great Momentum for End User Workspace

Olivier Frank shared some of the success stories with me.

Global FSI customer 1 – Up to 150K Users over 2 years

  • Currently 90 Chassis, 70 chassis published desktop/app, 20 chassis HDI XenDesktop for developers.
    Thousands of users deployed in 3 Weeks. Significant upcoming investment to grow XenApp estate to support 150k users by end of 2017.
  • Cut the cost/watt/per user in half 3W to 1.5W
  • Will save the Bank up-to $13m on their end user spend

Global FSI customer 2 – Traders to go live in FY16 Q3

  • Potential growth of up-to 15000 traders
  • 75K users need to move to VDI (non moonshot) – HPE Moonshot will cover 20% of those high end users that current VDI technology doesn’t cater for.

Global FSI customer 3- 600 Traders live

  • 600 Commodities traders, In 3 Regions – Q4 FY15
  • 600 more VDI user converting to Moonshot in FY16 Q2
  • Looking to make Moonshot there global VDI standard

Customer Video Testimonial Videos

 

HPE Edgeline

Olivier Frank, shared the general target for HPE Edgeline and what are IT Edge like mobile workplace and IoT Edge, Compute for Internet for things and gateways.

The HPE Edgeline Portfolio contains of EL1000, EL4000, EL10 and EL20.

HPE Edgeline EL1000 and El4000

The HPE Edgeline EL1000 and EL4000 Converged IoT System is the first entrant into the industry’s new product category, “Converged (Internet of Things) IoT Systems”. This system integrates unprecedented edge compute, data capture and control, datacenter-class security, device and systems management, as well as large storage capacity to provide heavy-duty analytics and insights to the edge. This enables businesses to make real-time decisions and add value to their operational processes to result in better business outcomes. The Edgeline EL1000 and EL4000 also prevents cloud lock-in by not having to send data back to the cloud or data center. It addresses latency, bandwidth, cost, security, duplication, corruption, and compliance issues, enabling three critical components of savings and success—time, money, and time to action.

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The HPE Edgeline EL1000 Converged IoT System delivers a high performance and reliable solution that comes optimally configured with one Intel-based HPE ProLiant m510 (8 or 16 core) or HPE ProLiant m710x (4 core + GPU) high density server.

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The HPE Edgeline EL4000 Converged IoT System delivers a high performance and reliable solution, The EL4000 comes that comes optimally configured with four Intel-based HPE ProLiant m510 (8 or 16 core) or HPE ProLiant m710x (4 core plus GPU) high density servers. The EL1000 / EL4000 have HPE iLO (Integrated Lights-Out), the same tool used to manage traditional datacenter servers.

You can up to 16 Xeon cores with EL1000 and up to 64 Xeon cores with EL4000. The El4000 is a standard 1 U rack-mounted form factor, 4 standard PCIe slots, both appliances comes optional with shock, vibration, temperature rugged.

Use cases are:

  • VDI (1-1) – Citrix XenDesktop
  • SBC (1-many) – Citrix XenApp
  • Trader workstation
  • Enginering workstation
  • Ip-TV
  • Video caching
  • Nebs Compliant (Level 3 certified)

Summary for EL4000 and the EL1000

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HPE Edgeline El10, EL 20

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These devices are used to connect to sense an IT infrastructure.

The EL10 Intelligent Gateway is a value solution that comes optimally configured with an lntel® Atom® CPU, 4 GB RAM, 32 GB SDD Storage, Wi-Fi connectivity (standard on Wind River model) and an expansive I/O selection.

The HPE Edgeline EL20 Intelligent Gateway is a mid-level level ruggedized compute solution designed for light data aggregation and acquisition.

EL20 Delivers a performance solution that comes optimally configured with an lntel® i5 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 64 GB SDD Storage, Wi-Fi connectivity (standard on Wind River SKU) and an expansive I/O selection including four-port Power over Ethernet (PoE) plus 1 x 8 bit digital input/output (DIO).

 

Hardware Summary of HPE ProLiant m510 and m710x

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I hope the above gives you a pretty good idea on where Moonshot & Edgeline is going – and this is just for Citrix XenDesktop and XenApp. I will cover how its used with Octoblu another time.

How to get Involved – HPE Global Innovation Labs

hpelabs

Partner and customer engagement, interaction, assessment and colloboration on solution development and applications.

HPE can help with

  • Build, testing and pre-validation of Edgeline systems and end-to-end solutions
  • Integrated real-life “Edge Experience Zones“ to interact with and highlight industry applications
  • On-site access or secure remote access
  • Datacenter connectivity and testing

Try here https://www.hpe.com/us/en/servers/global-innovation-lab.html

 

Poppelgaard.com – Professional Services

if you are interested in testing your applications on the ProLiant Server Catridges – please dont hesitate to contact me a thomas@poppelgaard.com
I can also help with above value added tasks plus much more 🙂

Source

I highly recommend reading following articles from Citrix Blogs from Tony Sanchez

Recent Comments

Thomas Poppelgaard

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Thanks Jose, I have corrected the map plus updated the map so 29 datacenters are now alive.

Jose Brenes

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Your map of Australia is wrong. You have put the state of Victoria inside the West Australian state.

Tobias K

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Note that on XenServer 7.1, installing VDA 7.13 also works to enable vGPUs running XenDesktop 7.11 even using the newer “NvFBCEnable.exe -enable -noreset” command. Tested with an M60 using various profiles.

Alex

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So how come version 3.11 doesn’t work for application switching?

John

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Hello, how to allow SR-IOV for the Intel P580 in a m710x? (unable to find any settings in BIOS)

I get the following error: Dismount-VmHostAssignableDevice : The operation failed.
The device cannot be assigned to a virtual machine as the firmware (BIOS or UEFI) on this host computer system indicates that the device must remain in
contact with the firmware running in the host. The device can only be used in the management operating system. You should contact your OEM to determ
ine if a firmware upgrade is available, or if the PCI Express device can be reconfigured to be independent of the host firmware.